First on CNN: Trump told Perry and State Department officials as early as May to talk to Giuliani about Ukraine

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First on CNN: President Trump directed Secy. of Energy Rick Perry and 2 top State Dept. officials to deal with his private attorney Rudy Giuliani when the Ukrainian President sought to meet Trump, in a clear circumvention of official channels, sources say

Trump believed Ukraine was still rampantly corrupt and said that if President Volodymyr Zelensky wanted to meet with him, Giuliani would have to be convinced first, one source said."If they can satisfy Rudy, they can satisfy the President," a person familiar with the meeting said.Trump's push to have Giuliani as gatekeeper is more direct than what was previously disclosed by one of the meeting's participants in his statement to the House last week.

Perry had led the delegation who attended Zelensky's inauguration, and was a central figure in the May meeting with Trump.It became clear to the Trump administration officials, the sources said, that they would have to deal with Giuliani.Volker hinted last week in speaking to the House how central Giuliani was in the President's foreign policy approach to Ukraine.

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