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Singer-songwriter, who just released paperback edition of ‘Faith, Hope and Carnage,’ book also talks about social media’s corrosiveness, his comedic side and how, surprisingly, he…

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I think the energy that we’re trying to find in our music needs to come from somewhere else other than basic rock & roll. There’s a lot of energy in the new record, but it’s not done as a rock & roll group, by which I mean guitar-orientated music. Warren and I have been looking for ways to create music that has that kind of visceral energy about it.

Well, it’s not just social media that is the problem, as far as I can see. It is the media in general — a tirelessly demoralizing force in the world. It is difficult to find hope when we are forever being told how wicked we are and how foul and degraded and imperiled the world is. It’s not that I have issues with social justice. I don’t. I think we need to be moving towards a more just society and a less oppressed society. But I think some of the methods, including cancel culture, are unhelpful in achieving the aims that people wish to achieve.

Before I wrote the book … I’ve always been interested in the figure of Christ. But these thoughts were always fractured and scattered and not really embedded in the way that I led my life. They were just things that I kept coming back to in my songwriting or what I read. I made no commitment to the idea whatsoever, and I think doing the book [], it helped consolidate my ideas and made me realize that I have been, all my life, on a religious journey of some sort, whether I’ve realized it or not.

You’re on a solo tour with Colin Greenwood from Radiohead. How have your songs changed in rehearsal when played by the two of you? No. “The Weeping Song” is about existential despair, right? But I don’t think I had any real understanding of that thing ’til my later life. And as a consequence, those lyrics now have much more weight. It’s a very beautiful song, actually. But that’s what I meant by “unearned”; I didn’t mean they weren’t good, I just meant that they were talking about things that I had yet to find out the full impact of.Yeah, maybe that’s not the right word to have used.

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