Impeachment investigators don't know exactly Rudy Giuliani said in phone calls regarding Ukraine, but 'I guarantee the Russians have the actual information,” a former CIA official says.
“Congress and investigators have call records that suggest certain things but have no means whatsoever of getting the actual text. . . . I guarantee the Russians have the actual information.” Those are the words of John Sipher, the CIA’s former deputy chief of Russia operations, telling the Washington Post that Russia probably knows more about Rudy Giulani’s calls regarding Ukraine than impeachment investigators do.
Sipher told the Post that Russian intelligence likely monitors Giuliani’s calls and that through the continued use of unsecured phones, Guiliani and President Donald Trump have effectively “given the Russians ammunition they can use in an overt fashion, a covert fashion or in the twisting of information.”
And it’s not just calls with the president — the Post said that Giuliani’s phone conversations with people such as Lev Parnas could be just as valuable to foreign spies, especially if he was recounting conversations he had with Trump. The Post said the call logs suggest that three years into his term and after multiple warnings from intelligence officials, Trump still uses personal cellphones that are vulnerable to electronic eavesdropping. One former Trump administration official told the Post that former chief of staff John Kelly tried to get Trump to use secure White House phone lines in 2017, but Trump refused because there then would be logs of his calls.
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